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From [e-mail] (Michael Corbin) Sun Aug 11 20:40:00 1991
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
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Subject: Oh Krill
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 > From: [e-mail] (CLARK BRIAN R)
 > Date: 10 Aug 91 06:44:59 GMT
 > Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
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 >
 >
 >
 >        I read the OH Krill file posted recently by Don Allen, and would
 >     like to pose a question to all interested, in particular Mr. Allen.
 >     How can we assess the credibility of UFO information?  The OH Krill
 >     file was posted with the caveat that it is held in low esteem by the
 >     UFO community; for what reasons is this so?  How can the would-be
 >     investigator separate the possible truth from the probable bullshit?

After a lengthy investigation into this matter, we determined that it was
based upon a compilation of science fiction stories over the years, combined
with a little rumor about aliens being held captive by the U.S. Government,
and all blended into a very cheap piece of work called "The Matrix" by an
author, John Grace, using a pseudonym of Val Valerian.  Grace and John Lear
are good friends living in Las Vegas, NV.  After much controversy, Lear
admitted publicly that the material was all without substance.  The name "O.H.
Krill" stood for the "Original Hostage Krill" allegedly captured by the Air
Force in the 60s and held captive in the deserts of Nevada.  During his stay
with our government, he wrote a book called "Yellow Book" which was about
their culture and how they "cloned" Jesus Christ to keep us naughty humans in
line.  It goes on and on ad nauseum.  Bottom line:  I tend to hold those
deliberately asserting bull as truth in very low esteem, for whatever reason.
Additionally, there is a common thread between the crap that these guys
espouse and what William L. Moore fed Dr. Paul Bennewitz as disinformation
under the direction of the AFOSI (Air Force Office of Special Intelligence) at
Kirland AFB in New Mexico.  Many interesting threads going all to the same
place.  John Lear wrote several text files concerning the
"aliens-eating-humans-from-underground-bases-in-Dulce, NM" scenario.  Again,
this is very similar to the stuff that was being fed to Bennewitz.  Bennewitz
later took an extended vacation for a nervous breakdown to allow the paranoia
to wear off.

This crap that goes on tends to create the most effective damage control to
keep serious UFO study from moving forward.  Too many normal people take one
look at this crap and write the whole subject off.  That is truly unfortunate
because there is a valid phenomenon which deserves better attention than it
gets at "the home for unwed paranoids."

 >        Those with experience in separating the wheat from the chaff
 > would
 >     help the rest of us by sharing their experience.  Or is there no way
 > of
 >     avoiding the dis-information?  Don, you have the floor...

I hope you don't mind my two cents on this, Brian.  Very good point.  That is
just what we do at ParaNet.  We are interested in the serious research.
Sometimes that includes investigating these clowns that make so much noise,
and when we find something, we write about it.  We also hold the Gulf Breeze
fiasco in low esteem for similar reasons.  It is not so much that Ed Walters
might have hoaxed the photos, it is the shoddy so-called "scientific
investigation" that was done by those under the guise of a scientific
organization.  The data is very poor, including the photographic evidence.
There is a lot more to this, and it is very complex.

Mike

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From [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer) Mon Aug 12 15:56:23 1991
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy
Subject: Re: FILE: OH Krill part 3
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Part 3 contains several statements which have been extremely
sensationalized.  When distributing the file to people I don't know very
well, I usually annotate them to prevent anyone with insufficient
background (i.e., complete newcomers to the field) from getting excited
about them.

I also have a few comments on other parts of this section.

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Don Allen) writes:
>
[attempts at psychically investigating mutilations]

While these reports are fascinating, I wonder how much exposure to the
field the psychics had before being asked to undertake this task.  It would
be most interesting to see what a psychic with a good record of success,
but no exposure to UFOlogy in general or mutilations in specific, had to
say about them.

The names and places mentioned would also be interesting to check out.
Unfortunately I'm too far from the center of all the action to do it.

>     At this point, I will put some references and excerpts from
>some volumes that I believe are relevant to all the things we've
>been talking about. Where I feel it is applicable, I will comment
>on them.

And I will comment on them further. :-)

>"Extra-Terrestrials Among Us"
>
>     (p8) JANAP-146 specifies up to 10 years in prison and $10,000
>in fines for anyone in government service who makes unauthorized
>public statements about UFO phenomena. The British Official
>Secrets Act makes similar provisions.

Although I'm not familiar with the acts in question, I would feel
reasonably safe guessing that they were intended to prevent the spread of
panic if the idea that UFOs were hostile foreign (human) vehicles should
arise.

>     (p16) On September 14, 1978, a UFO as big as an ocean liner
>flew over Italy, and over Rome on the 15th and 16th.
>     Comment: This was two weeks before Pope John Paul I was found
>dead under suspicious circumstances. He was killed between
>September 28-29. Autopsy was refused. It was rumored he intended
>to reveal the Fatima message of 1917.

The suspiciousness (?) of the circumstances is open to interpretation.  The
statement "He was killed" is uncalled for in my opinion.

>     (p24) Dr. Brian T. Clifford (Pentagon) announces on October
>5, 1982, that contact between U.S. citizens and extraterrestrials
>on their vehicles is illegal. Title 14, Section 1211 of the Code
>of Federal Regulations (adopted July 16, 1969, before the first
>manned lunar landing) says that anyone guilty of this becomes a
>wanted criminal to be jailed for one year and fined $5,000. The
>NASA administrator is empowered to determine WITH OR WITHOUT A
>HEARING that a person has been "ET-exposed" and impose
>INDETERMINATE quarantine under armed guard, which cannot be broken
>even by court order.

I don't know what context Dr. Clifford's statement was made in, but the
intent of the original law was to prevent contamination by lunar microbes
while such things were still considered to be a possibility.  (The original
law said something like 'any vehicle exposed to an extraterrestrial
environment', not 'extraterrestrials or their vehicles.')  If anyone has
the full text of Dr. Clifford's statement, please post it.  This is
precisely the sort of quoting-out-of-context that I was complaining about
at the beginning of my article.

>     (p25) Records of the 687 B.C. battle between the Assyrians
>and the Hebrews indicate that "a blast from heaven" reduced the
>bodies of 185,000 Assyrians to ashes but left their clothes
>intact.

Microwaves?

>     (p145) Morris K. Jessup died under mysterious circumstances
>after a copy of his book "Case for the UFO" was sent to the Chief
>of the Office of Naval Research (ONR) in Washington.

Ugh.  More of this damned sensationalizing of well-known facts!  Anyone
interested in the full story of the life and death of Dr. Jessup should
read "The Philadelphia Experiment" by Berlitz and Moore.

To summarize, however, Dr. Jessup died *years* after the book was sent.
Although the strange turn his life took after its publication probably
contributed to his depression, there were much more immediate mundane
factors as well.  There are unanswered questions, such as why did he call
someone hours earlier and say he was coming to visit him to discuss what he
thought was the solution to the Philadelphia Experiment mystery, and how
did he drive his car out to the park when he was so drunk, but that's
not my point here.  The statement quoted above makes it sound like the
government immediately sent out a hit squad or something.  Completely
untrue.

>     (p150) Alleged alien comment in annotated edition of "Case
>for the UFO": "Men frozen helpless make good prey."

I haven't read the book, but given the fact that the annotator was Carlos
Allende, the above statement probably refers to the frozen-in-spacetime
phenomenon resulting from bungled dematerializations.  However, Bill Cooper
also says something about the aliens giving a cryogenics demonstration
using some government officials as test subjects, then refusing to unfreeze
them unless the government cooperated with the aliens.

>     (p151) Dr. James E. McDonald thought that the Federal Power
>Commission was evading the evidence concerning UFO involvement in
>the total power failure that paralyzed New York on July 13, 1965,
>and dared to say so in front of a Congressional committee.
>
>     (p152) On June 13, 1971, James E. McDonald was found dead
>under mysterious circumstances, shot through the head with a
>pistol by his side.

I'm not sure what's being implied here, since there's nearly six years
between events!  The only UFO involvement in the great blackout that I'm
aware of was a ball of light spotted over a substation.  Does anyone know
anything else about the "mysterious" circumstances of McDonald's death?

>     (p159) George Adamski, contactee in the 1950s had a special
>government passport. Possible CIA disinformation agent.

Interesting, but can anyone verify?  (I've also heard that Wendelle Stevens
is trying to resurrect the Adamski scenario.  Very weird!)

>     (p208) It is odd that among the viruses there are some that
>look like UFOs, like T. Bacteriophage. Do some UFO have the
>ability to operate in the micro-dimension of viruses? Comment: In
>the discipline of Yoga is noted the ability to become large or
>small.

What on Earth was the point in making this speculation?

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From [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer) Mon Aug 12 16:13:18 1991
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Subject: Re: FILE: OH Krill part 3
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I forgot to mention on my first commentary that Sirius isn't located in
Orion, but I hope you all knew that.

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From [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer) Mon Aug 12 16:10:09 1991
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Subject: Re: FILE: OH Krill part 4 (Conclusion)
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Although the Searle device bears a resemblance to other free-energy
devices, particularly those of Bruce DePalma (though Searle's is *much*
more powerful), a British alternative-technology researcher who recently
tracked down Mr. Searle found that he could produce neither the device nor
any first-hand witnesses to its operation.

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From [e-mail] (Don Allen) Mon Aug 12 21:44:57 1991
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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
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Subject: Re: FILE: OH Krill part 4 (Conclusion)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Mastroianni) writes:
>
>  This is a wonderful story. This should be published in a much longer
>book form with better character development. It is probably best read
>on an airplane speeding across the pacific ocean on the way to some
>exotic Asian destination.
>
> Seriously, though, I think you could get some money for this. There
>was obviously a lot of work and research that went into it. You may
>even want to try to make a screen or teleplay version.
>
> If it were well enought written, there could be a Hugo in it for you.
>
> Joe
>

Naw...now why would you think that :-)

I would be *remiss* if I didn't include something here that I just
spotted on the BBS echo called "Fido UFO" direct from Bill English.

Bill knows John Lear directly...so I would say this is pretty much
from the "horses mouth"

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Message #8038 - UFO
   Date : 12-Aug-91 13:49
   From : John Hicks
     To : Dali Moyzes
Subject : Three Star General?
Replies : #7808 <-
 > You can download the KRILL.ZIP from this bbs, which discuss the
 > abductions, but the best is the UFO!.ZIP ...

(7245)  Thu 21 Mar 91 10:55p
By: Bill English
To: All
Re: Krill files
St:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

During the past several weeks there have been a number of questions concerning
the infamous "Krill Papers". At the advise of John Hicks (363/29) I am posting
this information concerning the documents in question.

1) The "Krill Papers" were and are a fraud. John Lear and John Grace of Nevada
authored these papers and uploaded them to a Paranet Board originally to see
just how guliable the UFO investigative community really was. Much to the
credit of Paranet and Mike Corbin, it was quickly determined that the
documents
were in fact fraudulent. As a result of this both John Lear and John Grace
were
barred from Paranet and several other UFO related Echos. While I don't agree
with the methods employed by John, I do understand his reasoning for this.

2) In one respect the fraud perpetrated by John Lear and John Grace had the
effect of proving that at least one so called researcher of of some renoun was
in fact a fraud himself. I am of course refering to William Cooper. John was
listening to Cooper give and interview to one of the local news media when he
over heard Cooper state that while serving in the Navy he in fact viewed the
Krill Papers. John approached and questioned Cooper about this knowing that
the
Krill Papers and the information in them was faked. Cooper stuck to his story
and decided that John was his enemy. Especially after John pointed out to him
that the Krill Papers were faked. As a result of this Cooper went on a rampage
and did everything that he could to discredit Lear and several others.

3) For those of you just coming onto the UFO scene, it is imparitive that you
understand that one of the many problems that are inherent to UFO research
field is that information sometimes get spread out so quickly without proper
disemination. As a result of this it becomes factual without basis.
PLEASE...PLEASE...don't take everything you read on these databases as being
the absolute truth without first checking with others and most importantly
checking your sources...We all get burned from time to time...including myself
as evidenced by the SS433 fiasco. But we are the ones who some day may be
looked upon as the true heros of our time. At least I hope so..A lot of us
have
lost so much because of what we do here...

Bill English

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Note: you can tell this is an _authentic_ message from Bill English by all
his typos :-) :-)

I'm going to be seeing Bill this upcoming weekend at a MUFON function,so
I will have the opportunity to "grill" him more on this directly.

I'm sure that Michael Corbin can recall when this infamous "Krill" file
hit Paranet and how fast it was recognized as bogus. John Lear is _not_
known to be at all credible.

And as for Bill Cooper...(heheh)...welll...that's another story altogether.

Don


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From [e-mail] (Don Allen) Mon Aug 12 23:38:29 1991
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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Re: OH Krill
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (CLARK BRIAN R) writes:
>
>
>       I read the OH Krill file posted recently by Don Allen, and would
>    like to pose a question to all interested, in particular Mr. Allen.
>    How can we assess the credibility of UFO information?  The OH Krill
>    file was posted with the caveat that it is held in low esteem by the
>    UFO community; for what reasons is this so?  How can the would-be
>    investigator separate the possible truth from the probable bullshit?
>
>       Those with experience in separating the wheat from the chaff would
>    help the rest of us by sharing their experience.  Or is there no way of
>    avoiding the dis-information?  Don, you have the floor...
>
>    That's my two-cents worth.  Spell-checked and everything.
>
>    Brian
>
>
That's a very good question. One of the hardest things to do in this
field is to establish what is credible (by that I mean checkable facts
and solid sources) and to separate the "wheat from the chaff". Unfortunately,
the "chaff" is abundant.

Let's take for example a "newbie" coming into this field "raw"..he get's
ahold of some Bill Moore/Bill Cooper/John Grace text and proceeds to
read all he can, or perhaps he's seen a Bill Cooper lecture.

These above-mentioned people (I left out John Lear :-) would have
you believing after reading their material that you had better sleep
with a shotgun nearby lest you get dragged off as a "snack" :^_)

This is to say, that in this field and like many others, there are
individuals who are ONLY out to either make a NAME (ie EGO) for
themselves or are just profit-minded and don't give a damn what
they say to people, as long as they get the bucks rolling in (Cooper)
or who are so paranoid (Lear) or who are just following their own
hidden agendas and have not proven themselves reliable and who
have been involved in dubious Govt smear campaigns (Moore-->Bennewitz).

Bear in mind...that if the objective is to cross a booby-trapped
field, you must step gingerly. There is NO "short cuts". It is
better for you to be skeptical and seek documentation for some
(obviously) wild claims in this field. This field also encompasses
the "fringes" as well (Channelling, Space Brothers,related paranormal
events).

When someone or some group makes "statements" or "claims"...if they
are credible, they will usually cite the references or sources so you
can go out and check them. Beware and flee from anyone who claims to
have the _only_ "truth" and when challenged upon their sources, resorts
to personal attacks instead. "Thou unbeliever!"

I can be both a believer _and_ a skeptic depending on the case.

If you are _really_ into research, be prepared to do ALOT of reading,
cross-checking and sourcing out documentation. Do NOT accept or assume
anything at face value. It seems to be a hallmark of this field that
the _more_ you read; instead of getting your questions answered, you
end up with even more questions :-)

The one thing that I truly do hate to see..is when (supposedly)
UFO groups that are "on the same side" are instead, very competitive
with each other and make disparaging remarks about each other in public
forums that do NOT serve the best interest of anyone. If the GOAL is
truly to educate the public, the best way, in my opinion is LIVE up
to those "high and noble" ends and to keep their "dirty laundry and
snide remarks" to themselves and to work harder to "talk the talk
and walk the walk". IF they would do this, the public would be
_better_ served and it would be a "win win" for all.

I'm involved in ALL the UFO BBS echoes and try to be helpful in everything
I do. I had to learn the hard way that to participate in witless and
pointless flame wars between "this group is F*cked up and we do it better"
is a vast waste of my time and frankly is counter-productive. I would
hope to pass on this to you so you can avoid embroiling yourself in
elitist notions of "them vs us".

The largest UFO "echo" on the BBS's is called "FIDO UFO" and is often
called "Fight-o-UFO" in derision. It is large,simply because it has
a huge backbone to travel upon and whenever you get about 50-100 people
on this large of an echo (on BBS's it's called an echo..on Usenet it
would probably be called a "newsgroup), you can *expect* to have such
a diversity of opinion that flareups are bound to happen from time
to time and there _was_ such a time when it truly did earn it's
"fight-o-net" epithet honestly...but things  change and people do
not stay static and there has since been a "change of mgmt" of
moderators on that echo...so it would seem that we who do a good
bit of discussions on the various UFO echoes could profit by checking
our EGO at the door and getting "on with it". In truth, we are ALL
trying to "get to the bottom of the whole thing", and the better
we can all cooperate with each other, the better off we are.

I take a moment to mention this to you because at some point, you
may "discover" that there are UFO message areas on your local BBS
that you may not be aware of. These areas are actually national
echoes that are carried via FIDO (some on the backbone) and some
are independently fed through to other networks. The available
UFO echoes exponentially dwarf in message content (you will
have to sort the noise to signal ratio tho) than what is available
on Usenet here.

What is available?

Info.Paranet
Fido UFO (IFNA)
UFINET_USA (Bill English's national echo)
Bama (The Alabama UFO network arm of MUFON)
MUFONET
Contact (echo of MUFONET)
ET
Eckar (is it still around?)
ASK_UFO (UFO MAGAZINE echo off Paranet)

Just to name a few....


Don



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From [e-mail] (Michael Corbin) Thu Aug 15 20:02:00 1991
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
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 > From: [e-mail] (Eric Herrera)
 > Date: 15 Aug 91 07:59:35 GMT
 > Organization: Metaphor Computer Systems, Mountain View, CA
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 > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors


 > Also, that doesn't explain the cattle mutilations and BB probes up
 > folks'
 > noses.  I don't see the govt. finding a need for steer pituitaries and
 > deciding that cloned humanoids are the way to go.  I suppose the govt.
 > *might* have some reason to stick BBs in people's brains via nose-
 > pokers,
 > but once again, why the "artificial greys?"

There have never been any documented cases of implants found up people's
noses.  However, I have heard that there was an implant recovered recently and
is being studied by an undisclosed medical university on the east coast
somewhere.  We were to have heard a report, but that is overdue about three
months now.  Although cattle mutilations remain a paramount mystery, have you
ever considered the "psych" angle as the reason for the cattle mutilations?
This could be government-based, although I would not say that using the term
government is an accurate term.  That provides too broad a brush stroke to
what might be a clandestine group with its own agenda.

 > Zachary's post brings up a point that has been puzzling me, however.
 > Perhaps one of you Biology-philes can set me straight.  Presuming the
 > greys are truly ETs (or EBEs, or whatever is polically correct), is
 > there some rule that says intelligent life *must* develop into a human-
 > like form?  (2 arms, 2 eyes, etc.)  And oxygen-breathing to boot?  Why
 > can't our ETs be ammonia-absorbing jellyfish, or non-corporeal even?
 > Does this make sense to anybody?


Very good point.  The late Dr. J. Allen Hynek used to say that we must
perceive the possibilities as we know them and the possibilities as we do not
know them.

Mike

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